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1987 Starlog Interview with Guy Williams
Originally donated by Julie Martin.
Starlog Magazine -- January 1987
A Hollywood refugee by choice, the dashing actor who made his mark as Disneys "Zorro" contemplates his cosmically adrift years as the father of the Space Family Robinson.
It was spring 1968 and Guy Williams had just finished filming the final third season episode of Lost in Space. The annual wrap party was over, Williams sleek uniform had been returned to wardrobe, and the cast was looking forward to a short hiatus before next seasons shooting began. Four years had passed since Williams first donned a silver lame spacesuit and ended up Lost in Space. At the beginning, Williams was the star; by the series conclusion, he still had star billing, but was features behind three other characters in the stories, and one of them, the Robot, wasnt even human.
An article in TV Guide portrayed Williams as bitter and jealous over Jonathan Harris domination of the series, but its a view that Williams disowns. "The article was a little on the nasty side, saying I was unhappy with Dr. Smith," the actor reveals. "My real feelings were that I would have preferred to do a space show involving more real elementssurvival on an alien planet, and all that goes with it. To have Smith betray Will week after week or get into trouble with aliens got to be tiresome."
Harris rule of Lost in Space had to be a strain for the easy-going Williams, who had long since quit complaining about the Dr. Smith-oriented scripts. Besides, another season of employment now beckoned, the money was good, and Williams was ready to sign up for another hitch on the Jupiter II. A few weeks after the third season wrap party, Williams met producer Irwin Allen (STARLOG #100, 102) and a CBS representative at a plush Beverly Hills hotel. On the agenda were publicity photos and some questions by the press about the fourth season of Lost in Space, but Williams didnt know that Allen was sitting on some important information.
"I found out about the cancellation in typical Lost in Space fashion," says Williams. "A reporter at the photo session asked me when filming would begin on the next season. I was about to answer when the network person said, That isnt certain yet. I said to the reporters, You heard him its not certain yet." Allen took Williams aside and quickly explained why he didnt tell anyone about the cancellation. "Irwin told me he wanted to fight it first, and hand everyone a new season on a silver platter. He tried and failed, and shortly afterward, we were definitely cancelled."
Williams wasnt too concerned about the future, having been steadily employed in Hollywood since the early 1950s. His career had its ups and downs, but there was always another job sooner or later. "My career has this kind of checkering all through it," explains Williams. "Ive been leaving the business all the time." As it turned out, Williams exit from series television and movies so far has been permanenthe hasnt acted in from of a film camera since that last day on the Lost in Space set.
A Guy Named "Guy"
Taking his career so casually is a way of life for Williams, who was born Armando Catalano in New York City, the son of recent Italian immigrants. As Armando, he grew up tall (63") and handsome, and, in keeping with his "laid-back" lifestyle, earned his living as a photo model. "I was studying acting at the Neighborhood Playhouse, and modeling was a simple and profitable way of working around financial problems," Williams recalls. "It required little time and paid well."
The name Guy Williams emerged during this time, when anyone with a foreign-sounding name or appearance was quickly typecast and offered only a narrow range of jobs. "Guy Williams was about as non-specific as I could imagine!" he laughs. Like many New York based actors, Williams was drawn to the movies and relocated to California. He was soon under contract as a stock player at MGM. "They put you under contract on a yearly basis, and used you in little filler spots walk-throughs and such. If the part was of any consequence, they would usually pick someone from outside to play it."
Williams eventually moved on to Universal for more of the same. His first picture there included a monkey and the future President of the United StatesBedtime for Bonzo. "The least known thing about the picture," adds Williams, "was the picture itself. It was eminently forgettable."
By the mid-50s, Williams was married, had two kids, a mortgage and growing dissatisfaction with the movies. His latest appearance was in the low-budget thriller, I Was A Teenaged Werewolf, as the policeman who eventually shoots the werewolf played by a young Michael Landon.
Meanwhile, TV was becoming more popular and Williams considered defecting to his new medium, despite its tiny screens and equally tiny budgets. "I had a rather personal way of looking at television then," says Williams, "because in those days, I really didnt believe that the worst of television was much different from the best. And when I heard about the new Zorro series, I knew that Disneys shows were as good as anybody elses best."
The Disney Studios had scored major success on the fledgling ABC network with Disneyland, The Mickey Mouse Club, and the Western adventure, Davy Crockett. Created in 1919 by Johnston McCulley, Zorro (Spanish for "The Fox") was mild-mannered Don Diego by day, a sword-wielding, black-caped avenger of the oppressed by night who used his fox-like cunning to outwit the cruel military governor.
Auditions for Disneys Zorro were attended by every leading-man type in Hollywood. Many actors could handle the Spanish accent of Zorro, but almost none were prepared to engage in the skillful swordsmanship required by the script.
Enter Guy Williams, who not only looked the part of a young Spanish aristocrat, but was physically suited for the role and could actually brandish a sword. Williams father, a noted swordsman in Italy, begun training his son Armando at age seven. Up to the point of his Disney audition, Williams fenced for recreation, but now, it would be the turning point of his careerhe was promptly signed to star as Zorro.
With Williams aboard, Disney built an expensive replica of a Spanish pueblo on the backlot, moved most of Crocketts writers and directors to the new series, then hired veteran stuntman Yakima Canutt to supervise the action sequences and Fred Cavens to keep Williams fencing fine-tuned. Perfectly cast were Gene Sheldon to play Don Diegos mute servant Bernardo, and robust Henry Calvin as the comical Sergeant. Garcia.
Williams now faced the problem of how to bring reality to the dual-identity character. Zorro was scripted to be on-screen only about a quarter of the time, so Don Diegos character portrayal was very important. Zorro was played in the movies by Douglas Fairbanks (silent) and Tyrone Power (sound), with Diego always written as a "cowardly" type of manonly Power had given his Don Diego an "extra" dimension. "Power played Don Diego as a sissy," explains Williams, "a real gay caballero. It was OK for him to do that once in a movie, but I knew that it wouldnt work every week on TV. It would get tiresome, not to mention this was the 50s and a show with an audience including kids. So, I had to play Don Diego neutral, which was difficult because it means nothing. How do I make nothing interesting?"
The answer was for Williams to play Diego as a dandy, but a dandy with a quick wit. The clever comeback suited Diego, who would sometimes argue down the towns evil commandant, Captain Monastario. "Don Diego became acceptable," says Williams, not peculiar, an OK guy."
Production of Zorro began smoothly, but Williams still hadnt worked out all the kinks, at least according to his boss. "I had auditioned with a heavy Spanish accent," explains Williams, "knowing I could drop it instead of starting out light and adding on. For the first couple of weeks, somebody would be tapping me on the shoulder as Im walking around the set, and it would be Walt. He would say, Can you bring it down a little, Guy? He didnt know what he wanted, so I kept bringing it down. One day, I finished the show and Walt didnt tape me on the shoulder, and that was the accent I kept."
Zorro was aired during the 1957-58 season on ABC, and became an instant hit. Kids from coast to coast drove their parents and teachers crazy by marking Zorros trademark "Z" on sidewalks, book reports, clothing, even automobiles.
Adults feared that their kids would imitate Zorros behavior, i.e. brandishing swords and leaping from great heights. "Occasionally, some parent would come up and say My kid jumped off the roof and broke his leg," admits Williams. "There was nothing I could say but Im sorry."
Williams got his first taste of the good life while starring in Zorro. Besides his generous weekly salary, he also received two-and-a-half percent royalties on the sale of Zorro merchandise. "It would have been more, but Disney was determined to make sure I would never receive what Fess Parker got in Davy Crockett merchandising revenues." Disney had given Parker a large percentage of merchandise royalties in lieu of a salary increase, and lived to regret it when $50 million (1955 money) worth of merchandise was sold. Considering that $11 million worth of Zorro costumes, toys and books were purchased in a few months, Williams small percentage was a shrewd move, benefiting the Disney stockholders.
Now, however, Williams could indulge his taste for expensive cars, art, food and travel abroad. He also made many lucrative personal appearances at rodeos and shopping centers, in addition to non-paying appearances at Disneyland.
His busy schedule continued through 1959, Disneys Zorro filming would last Monday through Friday, with all the stuntwork reserved for Friday. "Friday was fight day," Williams explains, "so we would do all the stuff you could get injured in. If you banged your head or hurt your arm, you had until Monday to recuperate. All of our visitors would come on Friday to watch the fighting." Williams did most of his own fencing, but had a stunt double for the more dangerous gags, and another double for second unit work at Disneys Thousand Oaks Ranch.
"We used to make jokes about the show," Williams laughs. "Zorro was set in California, we didnt call it a Western, but a South-Western. We called the actors stuntmen because the scripts were being changed at the last minute, and to learn new dialogue and film it immediately was the real stunt. The work on Zorro was interesting. Nobody was doing any better fencing than we were, and working with the production people was fun. I could have kept doing it on and on."
Zorro finished its second full season on ABC with good ratings, and another year guaranteed by the network. However, Walt Disney was having second thoughts about the network, having received a better offer from NBC to move Zorro and Disneyland over to the land of the colorful peacock. ABC bound Disney to an old exclusive contract, and Disney fought back by suspending production of Zorro. Williams remained on the payroll, but aside from filming four Zorro hour-long specials, was on vacation.
Cowboys & Aliens
Zorro was officially laid to rest in 1961, and true to form, Williams wasnt concerned about finding more workand he didnt have long to wait. Offers came in from Europe for him to star in two pictures, one made in Italy (Captain Sinbad), the other in Germany (Damon and Pythias). Taking his entire family, Williams spent two years filming and traveling throughout Europe. "Traveling in Europe was a big plus, especially with the family," remembers Williams. "In the meantime, my agent didnt know where I was and I was missing opportunities. But the trip was worth it."
Another six months passed from the time that Williams and his family set foot back in the U.S. until they reached California. "I missed two seasons of pilots," the actor explains. "I needed a job, to get into something highly visible, and Bonanza did just that."
NBC wanted to throw a scare into Pernell Roberts, who played Adam Cartwright on the show and was reportedly creating prima dona problems on the set. Williams was brought in as another Cartwright, a potential replacement for Roberts. "I realized I was being used," laments Williams, "and I didnt get any help from the other actors, because of Roberts left, they would take up his slack. The whole session was very negative for me."
Roberts settled down for the time being, and Williams moved on to other TV guest-starring roles until late 1964, when another series offer came from 20th Century Fox. "When they said it was a space show out at Fox," deadpans Williams, "I was interested because I knew the lot wasnt far from my house!"
Was Williams excited by the outer space antics of Lost in Space? "I wasnt taken with the script," he answers. "It was typical TV. If I had been asked to do Richard III, that would have been a surprise, but to go into Lost in Space after having done Zorro, it was just standard TV subject matter."
Williams played father to the Space Family Robinson in an episodic pilot directed by Irwin Allen. "The main idea of Lost in Space was the special effects," explains Williams. "Irwin is great at them, and our struggle was to stay away from all the flashing equipment when we were doing our scenes. They would stick us in front of equipment that was whizzing or whirring, and I knew that the audience would watch the machine. So, we moved to the left or right, and the camera would hopefully follow, and we would get away from the machine."
The Robinsons endured a crash landing, giants, caves, and an extended scene where their ground transport, the Chariot, crosses a turbulent sea. Tanks full of water were dumped on the actors, but Williams wasnt complaining. "Nothing is uncomfortable if youre doing it for a lot of money. In Captain Sinbad, they had boxcars full of water releasing on us," he says. "The wave would hit you and Wham! The Chariot sequence was a piece of cake."
Filming of the Lost in Space pilot was finished by Christmas of 1964. CBS had expressed an interest in doing the series, so the cast was told to be ready for production by early summer.
While Williams and the other actors bided their time, the characters of Dr. Zachary Smith and the Robot were added to the series. In the first episode, "The Reluctant Stowaway," Williams, along with the other characters, was in suspended animation while Smith had a field day mucking things up. By the time the Robinsons were awakened, Smith had established his pattern of stealing scenes and sometimes entire episodes.
Robinson was highlighted in several Lost in Space episodes, such as "Follow the Leader," a first season finale where he is possessed by a long-deceased alien king. Robinson is tricked into an alien version of "Wrestlemania" in "Deadly Games of Gamma 6," and joins forces with Will to battle a mysterious intruder aboard the Jupiter II in "Space Creature." Williams pulled his Zorro sword out of mothballs for "The Android Machine," but the most strenuous outing for him had to be "The Anti-Matter Man." Williams played both Robinson and the professors evil twin from an alternate universe, with the script calling for several vigorous fistfights and a great deal of running through the airborne corridor between worlds. During the rest of the series, Robinson was there to protect his family and occasionally give Smith the boot.
Initially, Williams was open to Smiths inclusion in the storylines. "It solved one of my major problems with the show, which was What are we going to do out here with three kids, June [Lockhart], Don [Mark Goddard], and me week after week?" Williams comments. "I knew the scripts could be nothing, so when they put Smith and Will together, they could write lots of stories, and my hours got shorter."
Back From the Future
By the end of season one, most of the shows were centered on the Will-Robot-Smith threesome. Williams demanded more involvement in action-oriented scripts for the second season, and for a while, it looked like things were improving, but the "Smith Cycle" soon returned and according to Williams, he decided to "grin and bear it."
Critics have complained that Smiths comedy made Lost in Space campy, as a way of competing with its principal rival, Batman. "Campy wasnt the right word, even though everyone was using it," says Williams. "The correct word is the cutes. When a show gets the cutes, it kills itself. You can get campy and do stunts with style, and you can get away with amazing things and have people love it. In Zorro, we did outrageous things but we did it in style, first class."
Lost in Space finally generated a few good scripts in the third year, but then the plug was pulled. In 1968, Williams and the Lost in Space cast found themselves available for other work. Bill Mumy went to Disney for movies. June Lockhart when to CBS Petticoat Junction. Mark Goddard became an agent. Angela Cartwright returned in Make Room for Granddaddy. Marta Kristen acted in movies and theater. And Jonathan Harris found a new career in voiceovers and the stage. Williams did what he does so well he coasted.
By the, reruns of Zorro were being shown worldwide, and children in Europe were imitating American kids by slashing bedsheets with a "Z" and jumping off rooftops. Williams had one very important fan way down in Buenos Aires, ArgentinaMrs. Juan Peron, wife of that countrys President Juan Peron. Mrs. Peron was hosting a charity show and asked Williams to appear. In return, he would receive carte blanche for personal appearances in her countryno government red tape. Williams quickly accepted. The actor found Argentina with its large ranches and leisurely way of life much to his liking, and quickly established a residence. He has since ping-ponged back and forth from Buenos Aires to California, spending a year or two there, and then a eyar in Los Angeles. And he hasnt spent a moment in front of film cameras since.
Of course, there have been offers, particularly one from the Disney Studios to revive "the Fox" in the CBS series Zorro and Son. By his request, the studio sent Williams first class airline tickets, and he gladly returned to his old stomping grounds. Unfortunately, things had changed. "I found out that CBS was really in charge, not the Disney people. They decided to give Zorro and Son the cutes, and then, in typical network fashion, they cuted the cutes, and it was an abortion. It happened because Walt wasnt there. Ive seen Walt throw network people off the lost. If he had seen their script, he would have yelled bloody murder."
Williams passed on the series, but CBS and Disney proceeded and hired Henry (High Chaparral) Darrow to play Don Diego. Zorro and Son lasted six episodes, and was never heard from again.
The press and public hasnt forgotten Williamsa French magazine tracked him from California to Argentina for an interview, and Williams was sent first class tickets again to appear on ABCs Good Morning, America. On this jaunt, Williams also made an appearance with the other Lost in Space cast members on the game show Family Feud.
The actor is aware that Zorro and Lost in Space are still playing worldwide, and a new generation of fans comes along every few years. He has even heard the rumors of a Lost in Space movie. If called, would he serve? "I loved Lost in Space from the standpoint of the people, just like I enjoyed working on Zorro," he answers. "If the pay was right, I would think about it. It might be fun to do, although I understand Bill Mumy is something like seven feet tall. We dont look as much older as Bill does taller."
Until then, Guy Williams will be relaxing in his Argentine hacienda, living the good life, waiting patiently for that call and a pair of first class airline tickets.
Mike Clark, senior STARLOG correspondent, profiled David Hedison in issue #108. He wishes to thank Steve Catalano, Judie Lawson and Bill Cotter for their assistance in coordinating this article.
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